Fwd: Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files

[Runa Bhattacharjee]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files
Date: 	Fri, 13 May 2011 09:55:22 -0400
From: 	Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt;
To: 	Runa Bhattacharjee <runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
CC: 	legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org



On 05/10/2011 01:12 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote:
>   Hello,
>
>   Translation files submitted via http://fedora.transifex.net removes all
>   information related to the copyright of the content as well as the names of the
>   previous translators. As far as I can understand, the translated content for the
>   Fedora packages and documentation are governed by the rights as indicated for
>   the main package and/or documentation. I'd like to know:
>
>   @ if there could be any implications of legal nature at this point due to the
>   loss of credits, and 
>  From a strictly legal standpoint, the answer is no, because the
copyright notice is not required, nor does the absence of the notice
mean that the work is suddenly no longer under copyright (if copyright
applies to the work at all).

With that said, it is however very useful and important for these
credits to be retained, and I have personally reached out to Dimitris
Glezos at Indifex about this, and several other outstanding issues of
concern. Indifex is putting priority on resolving these problems
(including this one and the Google Auto Translate concern), and I am
awaiting a quote so that we can look to enter into a financial
relationship with Indifex to resolve these issues in a timely manner.

~tom

==
Fedora Project

[Petr Pisar]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 09:20:50AM +0530, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote:
>  
>  -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: 	Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files
>  Date: 	Fri, 13 May 2011 09:55:22 -0400
>  From: 	Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: 	Runa Bhattacharjee <runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  CC: 	legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  
>  
>  On 05/10/2011 01:12 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote:
>  >
>  > if there could be any implications of legal nature at this point due to
>  > the loss of credits, and
>  
>  >From a strictly legal standpoint, the answer is no, because the
>  copyright notice is not required, nor does the absence of the notice mean
>  that the work is suddenly no longer under copyright (if copyright applies to
>  the work at all).
>   
OTOH some jurisdiction consider removing authorship notice as illegal. E.g.
Czech Author Act (121/2000 Coll.) states so in section 44. I do not know
Greek law where Transifex resides but I think it's quite common per EU
directives.

-- Petr

[Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee
<runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files
>  Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:55:22 -0400
>  From: Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: Runa Bhattacharjee <runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  CC: legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>  On 05/10/2011 01:12 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > Translation files submitted via http://fedora.transifex.net removes all
>  > information related to the copyright of the content as well as the names of the
>  > previous translators. As far as I can understand, the translated content for the
>  > Fedora packages and documentation are governed by the rights as indicated for
>  > the main package and/or documentation. I'd like to know:
>  >
>  > @ if there could be any implications of legal nature at this point due to the
>  > loss of credits, and
>
>  >From a strictly legal standpoint, the answer is no, because the
>  copyright notice is not required, nor does the absence of the notice
>  mean that the work is suddenly no longer under copyright (if copyright
>  applies to the work at all).
>
>  With that said, it is however very useful and important for these
>  credits to be retained, and I have personally reached out to Dimitris
>  Glezos at Indifex about this, and several other outstanding issues of
>  concern. Indifex is putting priority on resolving these problems
>  (including this one and the Google Auto Translate concern), and I am
>  awaiting a quote so that we can look to enter into a financial
>  relationship with Indifex to resolve these issues in a timely manner. 
Strictly speaking, as far as I understand, the list in question is not
a list of copyright holders, but simply a list of translators. =)

The copyright is usually stated in the POT file and copied to PO
files, and Tx does this.

Hope this helps!

-d


--
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files

[Petr Kovar]

Hi!

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Dimitris Glezos" <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt;
>  To: "Fedora Translation Project List" <trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:07:45 PM
>  Subject: Re: Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation files
>  On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee
>  <runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > -------- Original Message --------
>  > Subject: Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Credit loss in Fedora translation
>  > files
>  > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:55:22 -0400
>  > From: Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > To: Runa Bhattacharjee <runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > CC: legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >
>  > On 05/10/2011 01:12 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote:
>  > > Hello,
>  > >
>  > > Translation files submitted via http://fedora.transifex.net
>  > > removes all
>  > > information related to the copyright of the content as well as the
>  > > names of the
>  > > previous translators. As far as I can understand, the translated
>  > > content for the
>  > > Fedora packages and documentation are governed by the rights as
>  > > indicated for
>  > > the main package and/or documentation. I'd like to know:
>  > >
>  > > @ if there could be any implications of legal nature at this point
>  > > due to the
>  > > loss of credits, and
>  >
>  > >From a strictly legal standpoint, the answer is no, because the
>  > copyright notice is not required, nor does the absence of the notice
>  > mean that the work is suddenly no longer under copyright (if
>  > copyright
>  > applies to the work at all).
>  >
>  > With that said, it is however very useful and important for these
>  > credits to be retained, and I have personally reached out to
>  > Dimitris
>  > Glezos at Indifex about this, and several other outstanding issues
>  > of
>  > concern. Indifex is putting priority on resolving these problems
>  > (including this one and the Google Auto Translate concern), and I am
>  > awaiting a quote so that we can look to enter into a financial
>  > relationship with Indifex to resolve these issues in a timely
>  > manner.
>  
>  Strictly speaking, as far as I understand, the list in question is not
>  a list of copyright holders, but simply a list of translators. =) 
Well, IANAL, but the thing is that the copyright holder for the *translation* in 
question is the translator, for obvious reasons, I'd say.
 
>  The copyright is usually stated in the POT file and copied to PO
>  files, and Tx does this. 
Hrm, I don't think this is the case with majority of POT files.

Best,
-- 
Petr Kovar
Content Author | Engineering Content Services
Red Hat Czech s.r.o.
Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic