(2014年08月19日 19:32), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Hi Dimitris, glad to hear from you!
I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a
number of things in this migration project:
- The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the
preparation is all but thorough. Most specifically, we have not evaluated
Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source
L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're
willing to help us with the move.
If you can reach them and find a possibility that they can support us,
it would be best and we can compare with Zanata. However considering all
the resource currently Zanata team is providing to FLP, it does not
sound realistic to me that Pootle team can provide same amount of time
- We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature
see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants
to implement them.
I see this is minor concern with two facts.
One, I have been asking all translators to file a bug as RFE. So far
there are a few bugs filed and none of them is refused or closed as not
fixed, but those are addressed in a proactive way.
Two, We have already been using Zanata with some projects, and I have
not heard serious complain.
- We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora.
How is this
going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success
Sorry I am not sure what is referred as cost here.
For translators, we will be able to have ONE interface to deal with all
(well, prob most of all) packages and documentations for Fedora without
going back and force btw two interfaces. I see this is success.
- We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their
Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move
everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will
I have added myself in admin list of trans at lists, so that will be
able to respond them quicker in the future.
- At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not?
haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC
meeting before going forward.
Thanks for pointing this out!
Probably, at the end of Stage0 (testing period), we should be able to
decide. Due to my limited knowledge, I'm not sure what kind of
information to give out to Infrastructure team, what topic/issue to
discuss with. Could you give me a hand here?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto
> Hi Dimitris
> No, plan atm.
> Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs
> so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
> In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full
> support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team
> for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other
> people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other
> alternatives, unfortunately.
> (2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>> Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
>> <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
>> (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
>> impact Infra and websites teams.)
>> Hi all translators,
>> With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first
>> with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the
>> I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
>> following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel
>> suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are
>> ML  and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
>> capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
>> than pinging on irc.
>> I thank you so much to Zanata team!
>> Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>> Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>> Period: 4 weeks
>> * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>> account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>> request . Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the
>> the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>> E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>> Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org
>> (FAS only instance)
>> Available at: TBA
>> Period: n/a
>> * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.
>> every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>> team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve
>> translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>> Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
>> Available at: TBA
>> Period: n/a
>> * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
>> msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
>> migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
>> to be imported (or may be given up).
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>> Dimitris Glezos
>> Founder & CEO, Transifex