(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.)
Hi all translators,
With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up).
[1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
cheers
noriko
- červenec 2014 v 16:02 Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org
napsal(a):
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
cheers
noriko
Hi Noriko, Hi all,
I am just courious if it means that users/translators that already have a zanata (FAS) account for translate.zanata.org will have to create another zanata account for fedora.zanata.org? I would obviously prefer if the former could be re-used for the fedora zanata instance.
Thank you for providing any info, sooner or later.
Josef
(2014年07月17日 04:01), josefhruska@upcmail.cz wrote:
- červenec 2014 v 16:02 Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org
napsal(a):
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
cheers
noriko
Hi Noriko, Hi all, I am just courious if it means that users/translators that already have a zanata (FAS) account for translate.zanata.org will have to create another zanata account for fedora.zanata.org? I would obviously prefer if the former could be re-used for the fedora zanata instance. Thank you for providing any info, sooner or later. Josef
Thanks for asking! Yes, we will have to create new account, and can use exact same username.
In translate.zanata.org, non-Fedora translators reside. There is no Organization feature in zanata yet, and it is hard to separate non-Fedora and fedora users completely on same instance atm. We can not force our own rule there. In order to keep and maintain our team structure (or user structure) such as names, coordinators and rules of approval, having separate instance is simple and clear. As the instance will be newly created, same username can be used. Eventually all Fedora packages will move to fedora.zanata.org. Zanata team, pls correct me if I am misunderstanding.
noriko
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific instance.
The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
(2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific instance.
Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this. I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more. Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we have to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.
The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and consensus before deployment I guess.
noriko
HI,
I have seen TMX file support in Zanata, wich makes it really interesting - because Transifex ALSO supports that format. What means this? Well, Transifex can save, export a whole language tree, and if we can feed it properly with Zanata - it could be a huge advantage/time saver.
My question is how can we feed it? Is this solution working in Zanata?
Thank you,
Zoltan
2014-07-17 8:43 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org:
(2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific instance.
Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this. I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more. Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we have to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.
The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and consensus before deployment I guess.
noriko
-- trans mailing list trans@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
Hi Zoltan,
TMX import and export is a working feature in Zanata. However, it's a translation memory import feature and not a project import feature. This means that whatever is imported will be used to show suggestions when using the Translation memory, but it won't be offered as a project that can be translated. We won't be able to use it for data migration purposes.
Regards,
Carlos A. Munoz Software Engineering Supervisor Engineering - Internationalization Red Hat
----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoltan Hoppar" hopparz@gmail.com To: noriko@fedoraproject.org, "Fedora Translation Project List" trans@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:54:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fedora] Plan Stage 0: Move to Zanata
HI,
I have seen TMX file support in Zanata, wich makes it really interesting - because Transifex ALSO supports that format. What means this? Well, Transifex can save, export a whole language tree, and if we can feed it properly with Zanata - it could be a huge advantage/time saver.
My question is how can we feed it? Is this solution working in Zanata?
Thank you,
Zoltan
2014-07-17 8:43 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org:
(2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific instance.
Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this. I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more. Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we have to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.
The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and consensus before deployment I guess.
noriko
-- trans mailing list trans@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
Hi,
How can we translate the Zanata to pt-BR ? When entering [1] we realized that we don't have access to pt-BR in the Group "Zanata" and in the project "Zanata server" we need to do some process?
[1]: https://translate.zanata.org/
Thanks,
firemanxbr
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.)
Hi all translators,
With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up).
cheers
noriko _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
-d
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.)
Hi all translators,
With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com Period: 4 weeks
- This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a
- History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up).
cheers
noriko
websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Hi Dimitris
No, plan atm. Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other alternatives, unfortunately.
noriko
(2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
-d
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko@fedoraproject.org mailto:noriko@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.) Hi all translators, With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team! Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com> Period: 4 weeks * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed. Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org> (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration. Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up). [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata cheers noriko -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:websites@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites-- Dimitris Glezos Founder & CEO, Transifex https://www.transifex.com/
OH! no! I am terribly sorry for the top post.
(2014年07月23日 14:10), Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Hi Dimitris
No, plan atm. Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other alternatives, unfortunately.
noriko
(2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
-d
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko@fedoraproject.org mailto:noriko@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.) Hi all translators, With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had firstmeetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com> Period: 4 weeks * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at thebeginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org> (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.First every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator creditper msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up).
[1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata cheers noriko -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:websites@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites-- Dimitris Glezos Founder & CEO, Transifex https://www.transifex.com/
Noriko, all,
I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a number of things in this migration project:
- The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the preparation is all but thorough. Most specifically, we have not evaluated Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're willing to help us with the move. - We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature basis to see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants to implement them. - We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora. How is this going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success metrics? - We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their software on Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will fail. - At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not? Finally, we haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC meeting before going forward.
-d
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Dimitris
No, plan atm. Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other alternatives, unfortunately.
noriko
(2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
-d
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko@fedoraproject.org mailto:noriko@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.) Hi all translators, With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had firstmeetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com> Period: 4 weeks * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed. Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org> (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.First every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up). [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata cheers noriko -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:websites@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites-- Dimitris Glezos Founder & CEO, Transifex https://www.transifex.com/
(2014年08月19日 19:32), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Noriko, all,
Hi Dimitris, glad to hear from you!
I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a number of things in this migration project:
- The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the preparation is all but thorough. Most specifically, we have not evaluated Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're willing to help us with the move.
If you can reach them and find a possibility that they can support us, it would be best and we can compare with Zanata. However considering all the resource currently Zanata team is providing to FLP, it does not sound realistic to me that Pootle team can provide same amount of time and resource.
- We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature basis to see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants to implement them.
I see this is minor concern with two facts. One, I have been asking all translators to file a bug as RFE. So far there are a few bugs filed and none of them is refused or closed as not fixed, but those are addressed in a proactive way. Two, We have already been using Zanata with some projects, and I have not heard serious complain.
- We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora. How is this going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success metrics?
Sorry I am not sure what is referred as cost here. For translators, we will be able to have ONE interface to deal with all (well, prob most of all) packages and documentations for Fedora without going back and force btw two interfaces. I see this is success.
- We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their software on Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will fail.
I have added myself in admin list of trans at lists, so that will be able to respond them quicker in the future.
- At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not? Finally, we haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC meeting before going forward.
Thanks for pointing this out! Probably, at the end of Stage0 (testing period), we should be able to decide. Due to my limited knowledge, I'm not sure what kind of information to give out to Infrastructure team, what topic/issue to discuss with. Could you give me a hand here?
Many thanks
noriko
-d
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Dimitris
No, plan atm. Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other alternatives, unfortunately.
noriko
(2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
-d
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko@fedoraproject.org mailto:noriko@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may impact Infra and websites teams.) Hi all translators, With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had firstmeetup with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated than pinging on irc. I thank you so much to Zanata team!
Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com> Period: 4 weeks * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed. Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org> (FAS only instance) Available at: TBA Period: n/a * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.First every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested Available at: TBA Period: n/a * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history to be imported (or may be given up). [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata cheers noriko -- websites mailing list websites@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:websites@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites-- Dimitris Glezos Founder & CEO, Transifex https://www.transifex.com/
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