l10n repositories in pagure.io

[peartown]

Hello to all,

I am still thinking about the state of the repositories in
the fedora-l10n namespace on the pagure.io.[1] It's not that
there is basically something wrong with them, but IMHO there
is a danger of single-point-of-contact failure. When I
realize the users with a commit access or higher are:
* jibecfed (maintainer of all repositories) 
* asamalik
* weblatebot
* darknao
* copperi
* yaron (commit for kde)

I recall when Jean-Baptiste, for example, once answered to
mattdm that he didn't have time to maintain fedora-l10n/doc
repository (while I think he is, in case of an urgent need,
able to help with weblate's things.) asamalik is propably
not more there, too. Nowadays, more or less all lays on the
shoulders of darknao. And copperi is hopefully able to put
some hands on as well.

In this thread could we somewhat reconsider how to better
organize (us) around these repositories?

Would it be possible to have among the users of the
repositories an account that is linked to the fedora-infra
team, for example with the admin role? (I am deeply sorry
for expecting all of you would have gone from the l10n
matters...) Personally, I'd like to see a moment when we
have "a backup of a backup".

We could also reconsider if to maintain the fedora-
l10n/tickets repository. We could have it as a part of
fedora-l10n/docs, if we use tags for issues...?

Do you have anything to propose, comment or your view in
this regard?

A little similar situation is with the weblate
administration. By going throught this mail list I learned
that the weblate admins are:
* Jean-Baptiste
* Piotr
* Yuri
* (and perhaps again) darknao

Does this group needs some update, too? 

I have some more things to ask or propose, but let's see if
we are able to come to some conclusions in these two things.

Regards,

Josef

PS.: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


[1] https://pagure.io/projects/fedora-l10n/%2A

[Jan K]

I  have commit access only to docs, should add a group access to other repos as well and
someone active able to add members to that group.

copperi

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Hello to all,

I am still thinking about the state of the repositories in
the fedora-l10n namespace on the pagure.io.[1] It's not that
there is basically something wrong with them, but IMHO there
is a danger of single-point-of-contact failure. When I
realize the users with a commit access or higher are:
* jibecfed (maintainer of all repositories)
* asamalik
* weblatebot
* darknao
* copperi
* yaron (commit for kde)

I recall when Jean-Baptiste, for example, once answered to
mattdm that he didn't have time to maintain fedora-l10n/doc
repository (while I think he is, in case of an urgent need,
able to help with weblate's things.) asamalik is propably
not more there, too. Nowadays, more or less all lays on the
shoulders of darknao. And copperi is hopefully able to put
some hands on as well.

In this thread could we somewhat reconsider how to better
organize (us) around these repositories?

Would it be possible to have among the users of the
repositories an account that is linked to the fedora-infra
team, for example with the admin role? (I am deeply sorry
for expecting all of you would have gone from the l10n
matters...) Personally, I'd like to see a moment when we
have "a backup of a backup".

We could also reconsider if to maintain the fedora-
l10n/tickets repository. We could have it as a part of
fedora-l10n/docs, if we use tags for issues...?

Do you have anything to propose, comment or your view in
this regard?

A little similar situation is with the weblate
administration. By going throught this mail list I learned
that the weblate admins are:
* Jean-Baptiste
* Piotr
* Yuri
* (and perhaps again) darknao

Does this group needs some update, too?

I have some more things to ask or propose, but let's see if
we are able to come to some conclusions in these two things.

Regards,

Josef

PS.: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


[1] https://pagure.io/projects/fedora-l10n/%2A
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[Yuri Chornoivan]

четвер, 15 грудня 2022 р. 16:40:55 EET peartown написано:
>  A little similar situation is with the weblate
>  administration. By going throught this mail list I learned
>  that the weblate admins are:
>  * Jean-Baptiste
>  * Piotr
>  * Yuri 
Hi,

Yes. That's true even if I cannot be active all days due to the power 
shortages now. But I will try to help if you have troubles with administration 
of you projects.

Best regards,
Yuri

hello, thanks for sharing this, but as far as I know, there is low risk here.

if something happen for doc generation, darknao and I can do it. Adam Samalik did great
work here, I simply finalized it with help of darknao.

if something happen on weblate admin, yuri, piotr and I can do it too. I think darknao
gave it a try too, mot sure he wants to invest on  this though.
Also, each project owner om weblate can change the configuration of its project. (weblate
is a great tool) Also,we have no maintenance to do because the Fedora project pays weblate
company to do the maintenance, and the job is perfectly done.

on pagure, most l10n repositories are translation storage for big automation systems.
Moving it to gitlab were considered as a useless effort.

our team doc and tickets repository is lacking maintenance as much as our group lacks
involvement of a coordinator. No big deal here, localization in a project like Fedora is
really decentralized. At some moment, someone will take the lead. And if access right
start to be an issue, we'll fix it.

to me, all important subjects have backups, and tools are designed to run on their own,
language enthusiasts can work wherever they feel like, as individuals or as structured
teams

hope it helps,
--
Jean-Baptiste

[peartown]

jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr píše v Čt 15. 12. 2022 v 23:37
+0100:
>  hello, thanks for sharing this, but as far as I know,
>  there is low risk here.
>   
Thank you all for your answers. Now, I'm sorry for my
doubts/uncertainty, which were apparently just void.

Josef