Revert commit to system-config-printer (F10)

[Andrew Martynov]

I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer 1-0-x (F10 release)
over Norwegian Norsk.

To resolve this problem I uploaded most recent version of nn.po (taken from git) again.

If possible, could somebody revert my two commits?

Regards,
Andrew Martynov
Russain translation team

[Dimitris Glezos]

2009/5/12 Andrew Martynov <andrewm(a)inventa.ru&gt;:
>  I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer
> 1-0-x
>  (F10 release) over Norwegian Norsk. 
Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
more for you guys?

-d

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[Xavi Conde]

Hi,

2009/5/12 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  2009/5/12 Andrew Martynov <andrewm(a)inventa.ru&gt;:
> > I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer 1-0-x
> > (F10 release) over Norwegian Norsk.
>
>  Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
>  it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
>  diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
>  more for you guys?
>  
I think "revert last commit" would work. However, I've never had this
issue, I always open the Catalan translations page so never commit to
a wrong language. Mostly an issue of methodology here, but "revert"
would be great for some other cases, for instance commiting a PO to a
wrong module.

Also as a suggestion, I would prefer to view the modules ordered by
name rather than percentage, could that be possible ?

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[Andrew Martynov]

As for me some kind of confirmation "Are you sure to upload XX.po for Russian
translation of YY project?" in Firefox window will be enough. Just to eliminate mouse
pointer focus problem in web browser.

Regards,
Andrew Martynov
Inventa



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Subject: Re: Revert commit to system-config-printer (F10)


2009/5/12 Andrew Martynov <andrewm(a)inventa.ru&gt;:
>  I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer
>  1-0-x (F10 release) over Norwegian Norsk. 
Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address it could be. The
first step would be a confirmation screen with a diff. Another would be a 'revert last
commit' button. What would work more for you guys?

-d

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[Pavol Šimo]

2009/5/12 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  2009/5/12 Andrew Martynov <andrewm(a)inventa.ru&gt;:
> > I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer 1-0-x
> > (F10 release) over Norwegian Norsk.
>
>  Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
>  it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
>  diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
>  more for you guys? 
Personally I vote for the diff. But this might be an option so
advanced users can take advantage of this extra step.

Thanks
Pal'o

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Xavi Conde <xavi.conde(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Also as a suggestion, I would prefer to view the modules ordered by
>  name rather than percentage, could that be possible ? 
This is available in the recently released 0.6 version:

  http://docs.transifex.org/releases/0.6.html#sortable-statistics-tables

Feel free to suggest more feature requests / requests for enhancement
directly on the upstream Trac @ http://transifex.org/. For help on
providing patches too, you can drop by #transifex. =)

-d





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[Sulyok Peti]

I would suggest to check the "Language-Team: ..." line in the header of
the old and the new PO file, and give a warning asking for confirmation
when they are different.

2009. 05. 12, kedd keltezéssel 11.40-kor Dimitris Glezos ezt írta:
>  2009/5/12 Andrew Martynov <andrewm(a)inventa.ru&gt;:
>  > I uploaded by mistake Russian translation of system-config-printer 1-0-x
>  > (F10 release) over Norwegian Norsk.
>  
>  Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
>  it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
>  diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
>  more for you guys?
>  
>  -d
>

[Piotr Drąg]

Sulyok Peti pisze:
>  I would suggest to check the "Language-Team: ..." line in
> the header of
>  the old and the new PO file, and give a warning asking for confirmation
>  when they are different.
>   
I don't think it would work, because this field can be different in
every PO file in one language (I've seen this in many languages). For me
the only feature I miss from Tx 0.3.x is diff and confirmation after
clicking "submit". It prevented my from making mistakes many times
before, but past experience shows that it haven't prevented others from
submitting to wrong language. Submission logs was useful to track these
changes and fixing them when needed, but we have to figure out a way to
restrict people's submission ability only to their own language(s).
AFAIR it has been filled in Tx's upstream Trac instance, so further
discussion can be proceeded there.

>  2009. 05. 12, kedd keltezéssel 11.40-kor Dimitris Glezos ezt írta:
> > Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
> > it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
> > diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
> > more for you guys?
> > 
'Revert commit' option would be a wonderful tool for Tx and projects
maintainers, but it wouldn't stop these mistakes, which have to be our goal.

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[Sulyok Peti]

Checking headers would not be bulletproof. I also saw different
"Language-Team:" lines in my language too. However I think it would be a
pretty good check, because translators do not change the headers often.
So in most cases the uploaded PO header would match the one in the repo.
On the other hand when someone clicks at the wrong link (i.e. an other
language), it will probably be a mismatch. Not a 100% solution but
pretty good and simple in my opinion. 
The same check for the "Project-Id-Version:" could be done too.


2009. 05. 12, kedd keltezéssel 21.07-kor Piotr Drąg ezt írta:
>  Sulyok Peti pisze:
>  > I would suggest to check the "Language-Team: ..." line in the header of
>  > the old and the new PO file, and give a warning asking for confirmation
>  > when they are different.
>  > 
>  
>  I don't think it would work, because this field can be different in
>  every PO file in one language (I've seen this in many languages). For me
>  the only feature I miss from Tx 0.3.x is diff and confirmation after
>  clicking "submit". It prevented my from making mistakes many times
>  before, but past experience shows that it haven't prevented others from
>  submitting to wrong language. Submission logs was useful to track these
>  changes and fixing them when needed, but we have to figure out a way to
>  restrict people's submission ability only to their own language(s).
>  AFAIR it has been filled in Tx's upstream Trac instance, so further
>  discussion can be proceeded there.
>  
>  > 2009. 05. 12, kedd keltezéssel 11.40-kor Dimitris Glezos ezt írta:
>  >> Seeing we had a couple of these, I wonder what the best way to address
>  >> it could be. The first step would be a confirmation screen with a
>  >> diff. Another would be a 'revert last commit' button. What would work
>  >> more for you guys?
>  >>
>  
>  'Revert commit' option would be a wonderful tool for Tx and projects
>  maintainers, but it wouldn't stop these mistakes, which have to be our goal.
>

[Piotr Drąg]

Sulyok Peti pisze:
>  Checking headers would not be bulletproof. I also saw different
>  "Language-Team:" lines in my language too. However I think it would be a
>  pretty good check, because translators do not change the headers often. 
It could be changed every edit, if two translators use different
configured tools (like Lokalize and Poedit).

>  So in most cases the uploaded PO header would match the one in the
> repo.
>  On the other hand when someone clicks at the wrong link (i.e. an other
>  language), it will probably be a mismatch. Not a 100% solution but
>  pretty good and simple in my opinion.  
It looks like a hack. Transifex developers would not want to have
something like that in the long run I guess. The Right Way(tm) is access
control and translators groups (teams), which is planned in next releases.

>  The same check for the "Project-Id-Version:" could be done
> too.
>   
I'm involved in translations for years, and I still have no idea what's
this line supposed to be used for. ;)

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[Sulyok Peti]

I have just noticed a possible reason for submitting to the wrong
language PO. I downloaded the flp PO from the Hungarian web site,
and after a while, I tried to submit the changes, but had to re-login
because of a time-out, and then I was redirected to the project page
instead of my language page. I hope I clicked at the right line. ;)


2009. 05. 12, kedd keltezéssel 22.24-kor Piotr Drąg ezt írta:
>  Sulyok Peti pisze:
>  > Checking headers would not be bulletproof. I also saw different
>  > "Language-Team:" lines in my language too. However I think it would be a
>  > pretty good check, because translators do not change the headers often.
>  
>  It could be changed every edit, if two translators use different
>  configured tools (like Lokalize and Poedit).
>  
>  > So in most cases the uploaded PO header would match the one in the repo.
>  > On the other hand when someone clicks at the wrong link (i.e. an other
>  > language), it will probably be a mismatch. Not a 100% solution but
>  > pretty good and simple in my opinion. 
>  
>  It looks like a hack. Transifex developers would not want to have
>  something like that in the long run I guess. The Right Way(tm) is access
>  control and translators groups (teams), which is planned in next releases.
>  
>  > The same check for the "Project-Id-Version:" could be done too.
>  > 
>  
>  I'm involved in translations for years, and I still have no idea what's
>  this line supposed to be used for. ;)
>

[Andrew Martynov]

This is exactly my case too.

Regards,
Andrew Martynov


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I have just noticed a possible reason for submitting to the wrong language PO. I
downloaded the flp PO from the Hungarian web site, and after a while, I tried to submit
the changes, but had to re-login because of a time-out, and then I was redirected to the
project page instead of my language page. I hope I clicked at the right line. ;)