suspected string freeze break

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi

I got the report from anonymous translator that the following packages
have got updated since last Friday of 19-Sep. I am not familiar enough
with those repositories, passing wrong information.
Could you someone please confirm if we need to send a warning to the
packages?

*system-config-firewall
POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200

*system-config-audit
POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-23 19:30+0000

cheers
noriko

[Dimitris Glezos]

2008/9/24 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  I got the report from anonymous translator that the following
> packages
>  have got updated since last Friday of 19-Sep. I am not familiar enough
>  with those repositories, passing wrong information.
>  Could you someone please confirm if we need to send a warning to the
>  packages? 
Usually it's easy enough to see if there *has* been indeed a string
freeze break for a module: we look if strings in the POT file have
been changed recently. Checkout the Generate a new POT file and check
if there are new strings since the one before the freeze.

>  *system-config-firewall
>  POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200 
I guess this creation-date info has been taken from Damned Lies. DL
isn't reliable since POTs are created there often. Looking at the VCS
the developer *has* indeed updated the POT file but he hasn't
introduced any new strings.

http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/system-config-firewall.git?p=system-confi...

>  *system-config-audit
>  POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-23 19:30+0000 
Looking at the source repo, one can see that past commits did not
change the code (POT doesn't exist, dynamically created):

  http://hg.fedoraproject.org/hg/system-config-audit/shortlog

-d




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[Dimitris Glezos]

2008/9/24 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  2008/9/24 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com&gt;:
> > *system-config-firewall
> > POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200
>
>  I guess this creation-date info has been taken from Damned Lies. DL
>  isn't reliable since POTs are created there often. Looking at the VCS
>  the developer *has* indeed updated the POT file but he hasn't
>  introduced any new strings.
>
>
> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/system-config-firewall.git?p=system-confi...
Oops. My bad. Didn't look carefully enough. It does change some strings:

>  +msgid "Protocol Type:"
>  +msgstr "" 
Noriko, thanks for letting us know. I'll send an email to Thomas.

-d


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[Asgeir Frimannsson]

----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt; wrote:

>  2008/9/24 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  > 2008/9/24 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  >> *system-config-firewall
>  >> POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200
>  >
>  > I guess this creation-date info has been taken from Damned Lies. DL
>  > isn't reliable since POTs are created there often. Looking at the
>  VCS
>  > the developer *has* indeed updated the POT file but he hasn't
>  > introduced any new strings.
>  >
>  >
>
> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/system-config-firewall.git?p=system-confi...
>  
>  Oops. My bad. Didn't look carefully enough. It does change some
>  strings:
>  
>  > +msgid "Protocol Type:"
>  > +msgstr ""
>  
>  Noriko, thanks for letting us know. I'll send an email to Thomas. 
I had a look at this earlier as well, and (in defense of the developer) it seems to be
only changes in the source code, not actual string changes. If translatable strings are
moved around in the source code, the order of messages in the POT might also change,
making the 'diff' hard to read. Ideally, we should perhaps ask developers not to
commit regenerated POT files after string-freeze, unless they have got a +1 on a
string-freeze break?

cheers,
asgeir

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Asgeir Frimannsson さんは書きました:
>  ----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt; wrote:
>  
> > 2008/9/24 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
> >> 2008/9/24 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com&gt;:
> >>> *system-config-firewall
> >>> POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200
> >> I guess this creation-date info has been taken from Damned Lies. DL
> >> isn't reliable since POTs are created there often. Looking at the
> > VCS
> >> the developer *has* indeed updated the POT file but he hasn't
> >> introduced any new strings.
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/system-config-firewall.git?p=system-confi...
> >
> > Oops. My bad. Didn't look carefully enough. It does change some
> > strings:
> >
> >> +msgid "Protocol Type:"
> >> +msgstr ""
> > Noriko, thanks for letting us know. I'll send an email to Thomas.
>  
>  I had a look at this earlier as well, and (in defense of the developer) it seems to be
> only changes in the source code, not actual string changes. If translatable strings are
> moved around in the source code, the order of messages in the POT might also change,
> making the 'diff' hard to read. Ideally, we should perhaps ask developers not to
> commit regenerated POT files after string-freeze, unless they have got a +1 on a
> string-freeze break?
>   
I got dizzy when looking at the diff ... and kinda gave up.
However DL showed 100%  translated before now it shows  99% (300/2/1).
How come this can happen?

noriko

[Asgeir Frimannsson]

----- "Asgeir Frimannsson" <asgeirf(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  ----- "Dimitris Glezos" <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > 2008/9/24 Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  > > 2008/9/24 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  > >> *system-config-firewall
>  > >> POT-Creation-Date: 2008-09-19 17:10+0200
>  > >
>  > > I guess this creation-date info has been taken from Damned Lies.
>  DL
>  > > isn't reliable since POTs are created there often. Looking at the
>  > VCS
>  > > the developer *has* indeed updated the POT file but he hasn't
>  > > introduced any new strings.
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>
> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/system-config-firewall.git?p=system-confi...
>  > 
>  > Oops. My bad. Didn't look carefully enough. It does change some
>  > strings:
>  > 
>  > > +msgid "Protocol Type:"
>  > > +msgstr ""
>  > 
>  > Noriko, thanks for letting us know. I'll send an email to Thomas.
>  
>  I had a look at this earlier as well, and (in defense of the
>  developer) it seems to be only changes in the source code, not actual
>  string changes. If translatable strings are moved around in the source
>  code, the order of messages in the POT might also change, making the
>  'diff' hard to read. Ideally, we should perhaps ask developers not to
>  commit regenerated POT files after string-freeze, unless they have got
>  a +1 on a string-freeze break? 
Well, I should have looked closer (or after some sleep as glezos just did), there is
indeed some added strings there.

cheers,
asgeir