How to upload .po file to translate.zanata?

[Florian Heiser]

Hi,
Sorry for bothering this list again with my rookie questions.

I translated (part of) blivet-gui into German (de) and noticed that the
f24-branch also requests translations for de-DE. How can I upload the
.po file of de-translations to de-DE? Or is this maybe not even needed?
Will a system automatically default to de if de-DE is not available?

The other thing, sometimes I see a master branch, I assume that all
"release branches" (such as f24, devel, rhel7...) are forked from this
master. What's the strategy if there is no master? Will the next release
be forked from the latest version? What if the release branches all have
different progress of translation (say 41%, 48%, and 66%). What this
question basically means, that it isn't obvious to me to what branch to
contribute (even in the case that there is a master. So, what would be
of higher priority? A master or f-24? Will the changes to f-24 be merged
back to master?).

Beste Grüße,
Florian

[Tiansworld]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>  Sorry for bothering this list again with my rookie questions.
>
>  I translated (part of) blivet-gui into German (de) and noticed that the
>  f24-branch also requests translations for de-DE. How can I upload the
>  .po file of de-translations to de-DE? Or is this maybe not even needed?
>  Will a system automatically default to de if de-DE is not available?
>
>  First you have to be the translator of de-DE. 
I forget that if there is a upload
button in Zanata online editor. If it
has, then you can try to upload it.


>  The other thing, sometimes I see a master branch, I assume that all
>  "release branches" (such as f24, devel, rhel7...) are forked from this
>  master. What's the strategy if there is no master? Will the next release
>  be forked from the latest version? What if the release branches all have
>  different progress of translation (say 41%, 48%, and 66%). What this
>  question basically means, that it isn't obvious to me to what branch to
>  contribute (even in the case that there is a master. So, what would be
>  of higher priority? A master or f-24? Will the changes to f-24 be merged
>  back to master?).
>
>  I think in the case of blivet-gui, the devel branch is the master one. 
In my
opinion, f24 branch should be translated first before it is released.
However after the release, master branch should be in the highest priority.
Because the master branch is the main branch for developers, they will add
new features or fix bugs in it and fork other branches in future. It always
moves forward. But while the other branches are not EOL(end of life), we
may also keep maintaining their translations as well.

The changes in f-24 will not be merged back to master, because the branch
may already be behind the master a lot, i.e. they may have a lots of
differences.

-- 
Regards,

Tian Shixiong
Fedora Project Contributor

[Florian Heiser]

On 05.04.2016 11:21, tiansworld wrote:
>  On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      Hi,
>      Sorry for bothering this list again with my rookie questions.
>
>      I translated (part of) blivet-gui into German (de) and noticed
>      that the
>      f24-branch also requests translations for de-DE. How can I upload the
>      .po file of de-translations to de-DE? Or is this maybe not even
>      needed?
>      Will a system automatically default to de if de-DE is not available?
>
>  First you have to be the translator of de-DE. 
>  I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online editor. If
>  it has, then you can try to upload it. 
That's what I am looking for, an upload button or function. Couldn't
find it. I can send the .po file to the developers though.
>   
>
>      The other thing, sometimes I see a master branch, I assume that all
>      "release branches" (such as f24, devel, rhel7...) are forked from this
>      master. What's the strategy if there is no master? Will the next
>      release
>      be forked from the latest version? What if the release branches
>      all have
>      different progress of translation (say 41%, 48%, and 66%). What this
>      question basically means, that it isn't obvious to me to what
>      branch to
>      contribute (even in the case that there is a master. So, what would be
>      of higher priority? A master or f-24? Will the changes to f-24 be
>      merged
>      back to master?).
>
>  I think in the case of blivet-gui, the devel branch is the master one.
>  In my opinion, f24 branch should be translated first before it is
>  released. However after the release, master branch should be in the
>  highest priority. Because the master branch is the main branch for
>  developers, they will add new features or fix bugs in it and fork
>  other branches in future. It always moves forward. But while the other
>  branches are not EOL(end of life), we may also keep maintaining their
>  translations as well.   
OK, Thanks for the explanation.
Does that also mean that after a the Translation Deadline of a new
Fedora release, it makes no sense to contribute to its trans branch?

>  The changes in f-24 will not be merged back to master, because the
>  branch may already be behind the master a lot, i.e. they may have a
>  lots of differences. 
That unfortunately can mean that parts have to be translated
twice. In
case contribution has happened only to release-branches but not to
master or devel, right? Or maybe just before translation deadline we
should try to merge the two...

Best,
Florian

>  -- 
>  Regards,
>
>  Tian Shixiong
>  Fedora Project Contributor
>
>
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[Yuri Chornoivan]

написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300, tiansworld  
<tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H.
> <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;  
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Sorry for bothering this list again with my rookie questions.
> >
> > I translated (part of) blivet-gui into German (de) and noticed that the
> > f24-branch also requests translations for de-DE. How can I upload the
> > .po file of de-translations to de-DE? Or is this maybe not even needed?
> > Will a system automatically default to de if de-DE is not available?
> >
> > First you have to be the translator of de-DE.
>  I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online editor. If it
>  has, then you can try to upload it. 
Hi,

There is a down arrow on the right pane, next to the "blivet-gui" label.  
Click on it and choose "Upload translation".

As it was mentioned above, you should be member of the corresponding team  
to be able to do this.

However, the duplication of locales seems useless (at least, for the pair  
of default speeches de - de_DE).

Best regards,
Yuri

>
>
>> The other thing, sometimes I see a master branch, I assume that all
>> "release branches" (such as f24, devel, rhel7...) are forked from this
>> master. What's the strategy if there is no master? Will the next release
>> be forked from the latest version? What if the release branches all have
>> different progress of translation (say 41%, 48%, and 66%). What this
>> question basically means, that it isn't obvious to me to what branch to
>> contribute (even in the case that there is a master. So, what would be
>> of higher priority? A master or f-24? Will the changes to f-24 be merged
>> back to master?).
>>
>> I think in the case of blivet-gui, the devel branch is the master one.
> In my opinion, f24 branch should be translated first before it is  
> released.
> However after the release, master branch should be in the highest  
> priority.
> Because the master branch is the main branch for developers, they will  
> add
> new features or fix bugs in it and fork other branches in future. It  
> always
> moves forward. But while the other branches are not EOL(end of life), we
> may also keep maintaining their translations as well.
>
> The changes in f-24 will not be merged back to master, because the branch
> may already be behind the master a lot, i.e. they may have a lots of
> differences.

[Florian Heiser]

On 05.04.2016 11:38, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
>  написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300, tiansworld
>  <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > wrote:
> >> First you have to be the translator of de-DE.
> > I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online editor. If it
> > has, then you can try to upload it.
>
>  Hi,
>
>  There is a down arrow on the right pane, next to the "blivet-gui"
>  label. Click on it and choose "Upload translation". 
Thanks, I found it.
Those functions are a bit hidden there...
>  As it was mentioned above, you should be member of the corresponding
>  team to be able to do this.
>
>  However, the duplication of locales seems useless (at least, for the
>  pair of default speeches de - de_DE). 
So, which one should be translated? de or de-DE? I can also take that
question and further discussion to my language team...
>  Best regards,
>  Yuri
>

[Yuri Chornoivan]

написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:03:30 +0300, Florian H.  
<postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  On 05.04.2016 11:38, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
> > написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300, tiansworld
> > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> wrote:
> >>> First you have to be the translator of de-DE.
> >> I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online editor. If  
> >> it
> >> has, then you can try to upload it.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is a down arrow on the right pane, next to the "blivet-gui"
> > label. Click on it and choose "Upload translation".
>  Thanks, I found it. Those functions are a bit hidden there...
> >
> > As it was mentioned above, you should be member of the corresponding
> > team to be able to do this.
> >
> > However, the duplication of locales seems useless (at least, for the
> > pair of default speeches de - de_DE).
>
>  So, which one should be translated? de or de-DE? I can also take that
>  question and further discussion to my language team... 
"de" for sure. The default translation resource resolution scheme should  
be as follows (example for de_CH):

1. Search for "de_CH".
2. Search for "de" if fails.
3. Search for children of "de" ("de_DE") if fails.

So if you want the default German translation for all speeches (de_DE,  
de_AT, de_CH), it is wiser to translate "de" first.

Best regards,
Yuri

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Sorry for top list...
Is any other language teams recently completed their translation for
blivet-gui, f24-branch? I can ask the maintainer for exception and pull
the translation, if any other. This can be good practical reason to
convince the maintainer to move to fedora.zanata.org.

Btw, Alex,
There are redundant 'German's under translate.zanata.org. This can
possibly split our effort. Currently I can see, German, German
(Germany), German (Switzerland), Low German and Low German (Germany).
Can you have a look?

FYI, under fedora.zanata.org, there are only German, German
(Switzerland) and Low German. I've confirmed the clear reasons and
requests for three Germans by their community members.

noriko


On 2016年04月06日 02:16, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
>  написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:03:30 +0300, Florian H.
>  <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  
> > On 05.04.2016 11:38, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
> >> написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300, tiansworld
> >> <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> First you have to be the translator of de-DE.
> >>> I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online editor.
> >>> If it
> >>> has, then you can try to upload it.
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> There is a down arrow on the right pane, next to the "blivet-gui"
> >> label. Click on it and choose "Upload translation".
> > Thanks, I found it. Those functions are a bit hidden there...
> >>
> >> As it was mentioned above, you should be member of the corresponding
> >> team to be able to do this.
> >>
> >> However, the duplication of locales seems useless (at least, for the
> >> pair of default speeches de - de_DE).
> >
> > So, which one should be translated? de or de-DE? I can also take that
> > question and further discussion to my language team...
>  
>  "de" for sure. The default translation resource resolution scheme should
>  be as follows (example for de_CH):
>  
>  1. Search for "de_CH".
>  2. Search for "de" if fails.
>  3. Search for children of "de" ("de_DE") if fails.
>  
>  So if you want the default German translation for all speeches (de_DE,
>  de_AT, de_CH), it is wiser to translate "de" first.
>  
>  Best regards,
>  Yuri
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[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 06/04/2016 05:55, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
>  Sorry for top list...
>  Is any other language teams recently completed their translation for
>  blivet-gui, f24-branch? I can ask the maintainer for exception and pull
>  the translation, if any other. This can be good practical reason to
>  convince the maintainer to move to fedora.zanata.org.
>
>  Btw, Alex,
>  There are redundant 'German's under translate.zanata.org. This can
>  possibly split our effort. Currently I can see, German, German
>  (Germany), German (Switzerland), Low German and Low German (Germany).
>  Can you have a look?
>
>  FYI, under fedora.zanata.org, there are only German, German
>  (Switzerland) and Low German. I've confirmed the clear reasons and
>  requests for three Germans by their community members.
>
>  noriko 
You email create a few questions :
  * why ask for exception as it is in schedule ? wasn't it yesterday the 
time limit for translation ?
  * why in 2016 should we still ask each other if someone did something ?
  * why do we have one blivet project in fedora.zanata and blivet-gui in 
translate.zanata

It's no big deal, but it's really confusing.

to answer your questions : yes, we did many modifications yesterday in 
french translation, and we should assume we are not only one and push 
everything.
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2016年04月06日 16:23, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
>  Le 06/04/2016 05:55, Noriko Mizumoto a écrit :
> > Sorry for top list...
> > Is any other language teams recently completed their translation for
> > blivet-gui, f24-branch? I can ask the maintainer for exception and pull
> > the translation, if any other. This can be good practical reason to
> > convince the maintainer to move to fedora.zanata.org.
> >
> > Btw, Alex,
> > There are redundant 'German's under translate.zanata.org. This can
> > possibly split our effort. Currently I can see, German, German
> > (Germany), German (Switzerland), Low German and Low German (Germany).
> > Can you have a look?
> >
> > FYI, under fedora.zanata.org, there are only German, German
> > (Switzerland) and Low German. I've confirmed the clear reasons and
> > requests for three Germans by their community members.
> >
> > noriko
>  
>  You email create a few questions :
>   * why ask for exception as it is in schedule ? wasn't it yesterday the
>  time limit for translation ? 
We have moved from transifex to fedora.zanata last year upon FESCO,
FLSCO and FLP agreed and approved [1]. All the packages have been listed
and tracked, including python-blivet. But I didn't know the existence of
blivet-gui, thus it was not included. I've sent numerous amount of mails
on this migration. However those might not have reached to the
maintainer of blivet-gui, and it might have resulted current status.
Actually good number of developers didn't understand the difference
between two instances, or even didn't imagine those are separate
instances. I took fair amount of time to explain it.
And yes, it was 5-Apr the deadline. Thus there are still chance to ask
him to squeeze in.

>   * why in 2016 should we still ask each other if someone did
> something ? 
Sorry I don't get your point?

>   * why do we have one blivet project in fedora.zanata and blivet-gui
> in
>  translate.zanata 
Yup, that doesn't make sense at all, and that is the reason I am asking
the maintainer :-)

>  
>  It's no big deal, but it's really confusing. 
It is pain to every translators.

>  
>  to answer your questions : yes, we did many modifications yesterday in
>  french translation, and we should assume we are not only one and push
>  everything. 
Thanks! okay, so German, French and I know Russian. Any other language
we done?

noriko

[Roman Spirgi]

Florian, just translate "de". IMHO there's no need to have a de_CH or
de_AT variation.

There are some minor differences in spelling for CH, AT and DE - but we
agree on the same orthographic rules, see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Deutsche_Rechtschreibung. It's similar to en_US, en_UK, en_AU, I guess.

Actually it's not worth to maintain different DE versions as we don't
have the resources as well. The de_CH team has 0 members on
fedora.zanata.org ;) Otherwise we can discuss this on the trans-de list
as well.

Cheers, Roman - I'm Swiss though :)

p.s. 
http://fuelproject.org/styleguide/index 
>  remark on page 11 at the bottom 

Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2016, 19:16 +0300 schrieb Yuri Chornoivan:
>  написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:03:30 +0300, Florian H.  
>  <postfuerflo(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  
>  > 
>  > On 05.04.2016 11:38, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > написане Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300, tiansworld
>  > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Florian H. <postfuerflo@gmail.
>  > > > com>
>  > > > wrote:
>  > > > > 
>  > > > > First you have to be the translator of de-DE.
>  > > > I forget that if there is a upload button in Zanata online
>  > > > editor. If  
>  > > > it
>  > > > has, then you can try to upload it.
>  > > Hi,
>  > > 
>  > > There is a down arrow on the right pane, next to the "blivet-gui"
>  > > label. Click on it and choose "Upload translation".
>  > Thanks, I found it. Those functions are a bit hidden there...
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > As it was mentioned above, you should be member of the
>  > > corresponding
>  > > team to be able to do this.
>  > > 
>  > > However, the duplication of locales seems useless (at least, for
>  > > the
>  > > pair of default speeches de - de_DE).
>  > So, which one should be translated? de or de-DE? I can also take
>  > that
>  > question and further discussion to my language team...
>  "de" for sure. The default translation resource resolution scheme
>  should  
>  be as follows (example for de_CH):
>  
>  1. Search for "de_CH".
>  2. Search for "de" if fails.
>  3. Search for children of "de" ("de_DE") if fails.
>  
>  So if you want the default German translation for all speeches
>  (de_DE,  
>  de_AT, de_CH), it is wiser to translate "de" first.
>  
>  Best regards,
>  Yuri
>  --
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>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail].
>  org 
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Fedora L10N German Team Coordination
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